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Now, about WP:AIV. Feel free to put test4 on someone's page, but test5 should be for admins. Also, make sure you do the template right, and get the article name right. So it's {{vandal|IPaddress}} and the article was Christopher murt not Christopher Mutt (or at least the one I found). Wikibofh 22:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, and sorry :-p--TonySt 22:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• No worries.  :) Wikibofh 22:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

tony this website is a joke and people are never going to find useful information if you spend all your time "fixing" that pointless page about a kid's life in chicago

shame. ~2026-18720-01 (talk) 00:21, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

dont talk to my guy tony like that he's just doing his job (btw tony do you get paid?) ~2026-18846-54 (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

All Wikipedia editors are volunteers and do not get paid. This is a hard decision (talk) 23:37, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

lol real ~2026-37665-72 (talk) 03:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi TonySt

Dear TonySt,

You recently restored Nagabhata I to a sourced version after IP edits. Thank you for that.

I noticed the Historiography section was also completely removed from the article in that restoration.

As I am under 500/30 restriction, I cannot edit or discuss the article directly. You had advised me to ask you if I need any help.

May I discuss this specific section with you here on your talk page? I will keep it brief and only about content, not editors.

Thank you XaiverN9tewWike (talk) 08:57, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @XaiverN9tewWike! Since the removed section is about caste association, you are not yet able to participate in discussions about that content. If you have a suggestion for a simple and uncontroversial change (one which would not require discussion), your best bet is to leave a edit request on the article's talk page. You can read more about the extended confirmed restriction here at this link. Take care --tony 15:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @TonySt for the clarification. Noted.

XaiverN9tewWike (talk) XaiverN9tewWike (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Tony

Just wondering if i can wiki on your pedia tomorrow night and dont listen to these other posts youre a lovely fella xx Saoreire72 (talk) 22:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Stop vandalism, Tony! Editors are done.

You should stop vandalism of pages WikiUser153616 (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Stop,tony.You cant vandalize and change pages in Wikipedia.This area is not your playground.Stop annoying editors.Wikipedia is not intended for vandalizing. WikiUser153616 (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

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Hello. The report was a random note sent to TMZ and it was reported by New York Post about 3 hours ago today. ~2026-36393-38 (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello! I left some information about this on your talk page -- if you have a reliable source, you can add it to the article with an inline citation. You can read more about Wikipedia's verifiability policy by clicking this link, and more about citing sources here at this link. Take care tony 21:20, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

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The Piali Town page has been moved by an editor to Piali (village). Accordingly, I made the edit. The Piali Town page now redirects to Piali (village). Gopal 2026 (talk) 05:26, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@Gopal 2026, I'm terribly sorry, that was a misclick. I've restored your version. Thank you for letting me know! tony 05:28, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@Gopal 2026, actually on second look, I did intend to revert your edit due to the description of the school as a very special one. In light of not reverting your other contributions at the same time (and having already reverted myself) I won't make any other changes, but that was the reason for the revert. tony 05:32, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Abusive editing: Vladislav Demchenko - next steps

Hi Tony,

Just reaching out to you as you previously added a warning to user User_talk:Vladislav_Demchenko regarding their civility. They seem to be persisting in this (my talk page). Could you advise the next steps here? This is not something I've dealt with before. I have also reached out to some of the other editors who have given similar warnings. Thank you. Kylesenior (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Kylesenior. Unfortunately it looks like a pattern for them. I've left them (yet another) final warning. If it continues it might be a case for ANI. tony 15:46, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

@Kylesenior, I just noticed your talk page history is basically only this person harassing you over a long period of time. If it happens again and you're uncomfortable opening an ANI discussion please let me know and I'll open it on your behalf. tony 15:48, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Cyprus Emergency

You deleted my updates in the Cyprus Emergency infobox page when I updated it with more accurate numbers, but without citations.

I don't know how to add citations in the infobox. Will you tell me? Antonevrisantonakis (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello! Since you're using the visual editor, this help page should be able to explain it better than I could. But the new numbers are so different than the existing sourced information, that you will probably want to open a discussion on the article's talk page first, or at least add it as a range (like ”187-1260 injured"), followed by inline citations to both the existing source and your new one. tony 20:38, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

That's because the information you sourced relied on the statistics published by 1950's British propaganda sources. Modern figures (released by the RAF's Air Historical Branch, and independent online databases) have the more accurate statistics. Antonevrisantonakis (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Islands in the stream edit

I saw you immediately reversed an edit I made. I'm new to editing. just curious why? did I do something wrong? Stephenmwhite70 (talk) 22:27, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello! Looks like you saw my message on your talk page after leaving this message here, and then you added the info back but with a citation. I replied on your talk page just now but in case you read this response first: to answer your question, yes that looks perfect :) Thank you for your contributions and for the citation! tony 23:15, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

Tony quit bro no one cares you mug

Call it wraps Tony it's only Wikipedia Gerald croft123 (talk) 23:35, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

John R. Kuhn edit

Hey Tony!

I saw you immediately reversed an edit I made today. After review your reasoning for removal and checking my posts against wikipedia guidelines, I totally understand the reasoning for the reversal. Could you give me some guidance on adding information, I found the page after seeing an ad online for the page subjects book. I noticed the page was lacking information in general. Could you give me some direction on the right way to add information in this situation. I am very new to this kind of editing.

Thanks a bunch InfoSeekerTX (talk) 00:45, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello! Looks like you saw my message on your talk page after leaving this message here, and then you added the info back but with a citation. I replied on your talk page just now but in case you read this response first: to answer your question, yes that looks perfect :) Thank you for your contributions and for the citation! tony 23:15, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

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Antonio, it's your fav dude, now please, the one thing I hate is being ignored when I don't tease.

I really did at least give you room to breathe. The least you can do, is at least answer an honest question. I just was having fun. I'm not this stud of a heel of a man, you take me for. Please. So, what's happening, here?

04:17, 8 July 2026 (UTC) ~2026-38752-94 (talk) 04:17, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Buddy? You were so talkative just a minute ago?! What's going on, brother? ~2026-38752-94 (talk) 04:19, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Wow, you really are one of the Illuminati's slaves, aren't you? I do take it back, you don't even have the guts to come clean with me, other than attack me. ~2026-38752-94 (talk) 04:37, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok :) tony 04:44, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Edits on Nthanda Manduwi

Hello Tony, I noted you undid my edits. All the edits I made were sources, with verifiable sources for all materials. Please feel free to review all the infomation. LKopa (talk) 04:59, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @LKopa! I reverted your edits because I didn't see any source for the added date of birth. Looking closer I'm a little concerned that your edits appeared to be creating something of a resumé instead of an encyclopedia article -- we generally can't use PR pieces or self-published sources to support achievements or accolades. tony 05:04, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello Tony, I wanted to update the article to show Manduwi's recently published books, and saw the article was missing information that I felt could be added from the articles I found online. I did not use any self-published sources, only Malawian media houses: https://mwnation.com/ntha-foundation-founder-releases-7-books-on-international-development/

https://times.mw/writer-serves-development-books-on-independence-day/ LKopa (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

This was the full list of sources, and I added several of them as I edited:

1. Chitsulo, Lloyd (6 July 2026). "Ntha Foundation founder releases 7 books on international development". Nation Online.
2. "2026 Africa Big Bets Fellows". The Rockefeller Foundation.
3. "Nthanda Manduwi: creating jobs for youths". Nation Online. 27 November 2021.
4. Banda, Sam (2026-07-07). "Writer serves development books on Independence Day". The Times Group. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
5. Reporter, Our (2018-09-27). "Beauty turns author". Nation Online. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
6. MLOZI, HOWARD (2025-09-17). "Author Nthanda Manduwi takes book launch to Unga". Nation Online. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
7. "Episode 111-Nthanda Manduwi on Ntha Foundation, Feminism, Digital & Innovation Industry, Life in U.S". Podcast Malawi. 19 March 2024.
8. "Ruth Kulaisi Talks with Nthanda Manduwi, on work in America, Love & bridging the digital divide". Ruth Kulaisi talks... 19 March 2024.
9. "Beauty turns shinning light on Malawi young female entreprenuers". www.nyasatimes.com. 20 September 2019.
10. Mughogho, Lyonike (24 December 2017). "Malawians happy with Nthanda's World Miss University success". Malawi24.
11. "Advances in Sciences and Arts". asa.must.ac.mw.
12. "Why This Global Entrepreneur Chose the MSU MBA". broad.msu.edu.
13. Reporter, Our (2017-10-19). "Miss Malawi princess lands television show deal". Nation Online. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
14. "Get to know Nthanda Manduwi". mipad.org.
15. "Nthanda Manduwi: creating jobs for youths". Nation Online. 27 November 2021.
16. "PPPC donates ICT equipment to tech hub – Digital Malawi Project". Retrieved 2026-07-08.
17. Ethier, Marc (2025-09-02). "How An MBA And A Microsoft Internship Supercharged Her Mission For Africa". Poets&Quants. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
18. Foundation, The Rockefeller. "Rockefeller Foundation Launches First Class of Big Bets Fellows Focused on Africa". www.prnewswire.com. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
19. "Nthanda_Mandu at Google Books". www.google.com. Retrieved 2026-07-02.
20. MLOZI, HOWARD (28 September 2025). "Nthanda Manduwi: Amplifying global youth voices". Nation Online.
21. BBC News Africa (2025-09-27). What is the future of AI and work in Africa? BBC Africa. Retrieved 2026-07-02 – via YouTube.
22. "TEDxMSU". www.ted.com.
23. "Consumer Choice Awards Honour Malawi's Top Brands And Personalities". Slice magazine.
24. "AFRICAN ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS". Channel A TV Foundation. Retrieved 2026-07-08.
25. "Ambassadors 2024 – Africa Climate Ambassadors".
26. Dalgety, Susan (2024-08-19). The Spirit of Malawi. Luath Press Ltd. ISBN 978-1-80425-147-8.

LKopa (talk) 05:15, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello! Which of these lists the date of birth you added? tony 05:17, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

I admit that was my only error: the date of birth. But you reverted all edits. Were there any other errors you noticed? LKopa (talk) 05:18, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Can I ask how you knew her date of birth? tony 05:20, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

I had Googled it, and did not realise I had to cite for that specifically too. I started editing her page because I was reading her new book series which was just recently launched, and realised the page did not have the information for the news articles. For the birthday, I Googled it LKopa (talk) 05:22, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

@LKopa, the date of birth was my main concern -- I am not going to revert you if you'd like to restore your version and then remove that date of birth (or find a WP:RS for it) :) tony 05:27, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Tony. Let me go and make that edit. I will do that, and let you know once done. I do appreciate you fact-checking - that had slipped my mind. If I find a more verifiable source in future, I will be sure to add that. Thank you! LKopa (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I have edited, and removed the DoB. Thank you again for fact-checking! :) LKopa (talk) 05:31, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Hey Stark

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for helping with vandalism with your cool tool, C.V.P.I.! Probably even the COOLEST tool of this 2026 I've seen so far. Just wanted to share this barnstar while you were away. Good luck! – SimpleObjects-9ei (talk / contribs / CentralAuth) 03:51, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks SimpleObjects-9ei! :) --tony 04:47, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Aspen Acres Fire

Hey, just wanted to let you know that the new edit i made to the article Aspen Acres Fire is sourced and accurate according to multiple news updates, if you have a question about this edit, you can leave another message in my talk page @WikiWildfire, thank you. WikiWildfire (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for re-adding the information along with an updated citation :) tony 19:14, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Depher

hello Tony how do I send proof JamesWAndo1978556bb (talk) 17:37, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @JamesWAndo1978556bb! We can only use information from published, secondary reliable sources, like newspapers or news organizations. If those exist and directly state the information, they should be added as citations (click here to learn how to add those). If the source ("proof") isn't published by a secondary independent source, then we cannot use that information. tony 19:13, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

what if the information on here is already false and published as a malicious content, and I prove it's lies or malicious through the police, customers and verified fundraiser platforms JamesWAndo1978556bb (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

We cannot use those things as proof of the information you added. We can only use published sources like news articles. tony 19:27, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

what if it's proven that the reporter or publisher had lied, and it was a legally proven incident from a court or regulator like ofcom or news regulator JamesWAndo1978556bb (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Interceptor update

Thanks a lot for the update, it is hard to check whether it is working as intended, due to the low activity, perhaps after the weekend. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Appreciated, let me know if you run into anything. tony 19:19, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Edit on Nelson - Pakistani rape gangs

Reinstate the factual information on Nelson being under investigation for Pakistani rape gangs. Citations have been provided to you. ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 17:35, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/independent-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 17:36, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/66091/independent-rape-gang-inquiry-report ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 17:37, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-39273-28, these sources are inadequate to establish that it's notable. If there are multiple secondary sources (like news articles, think BBC or Reuters) which specifically highlight that town being "under investigation", then it might have a place somewhere in the history area but definitely not in the lead. tony 18:22, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

How is a national inquiry not notable? Whether or not a mainstream media comments on it is irrelevant. The fact that it is a national inquiry makes it notable, otherwise it wouldn’t be a national inquiry… ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-39273-28, if it's important enough to be in the article then it would have widespread coverage in multiple secondary sources. I also don't see that town's name in either link you pasted. tony 18:42, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

The town (amongst others) is named in both the national and independent inquiries. I doubt that you have taken the time to fully review both of these documents. You can’t make a summary based on ignorance. As for media it’s been widely covered. ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ryv10l4jxo

Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/21/why-is-there-a-national-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs

Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-national-crime-agency-asked-investigate-grooming-gang-cases-2025-06-15/ ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Do you live under a rock? The inquiry is just starting. ALL effective towns and cities will be detailed on wikipedia. The estimated number of victims is more than quarter of a million children. ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

None of those media sources mention Nelson, even in passing. Just find the ones from reputable media where this specific town being investigated is the focus of the news articles. tony 19:43, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-68300484

Direct quote from article:

She said she was raped "possibly over a hundred [times]" by men "from all over the country" for four years.

"There was men from Bradford and Nelson and Birmingham, Blackpool… [the gang] took us everywhere," she said. ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 19:59, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't think there is any further way to clarify what I've already said: if you are going to say a town is "under investigation", you will need to cite published reliable news sources which specifically say that the town is "under investigation". tony 20:04, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

It’s literally listed in the governmental inquiry. This literally takes precedence over any media outlet because government…

I’ll just wait a few months for the investigation to take fold, and then update the page (again). With more citations (again). ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 20:07, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Financial Express:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_bd64ClaA

Nelson mentioned at 25 seconds… ~2026-39273-28 (talk) 20:25, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Joanna Monro's mother

The entry for Joanna Monro relies on misreporting in two contemporary (1957) newspapers of her actress-mother's real name. Could an Editor with an interest in genealogical research correct this, please?

After registering to FindMyPast.co.uk with free access the birth year of 1930 for Felicité Jan Shirley Barrington may be found. Her 1965 marriage to John C M McMichael may be confirmed, by selecting Advanced for the Civil Marriage & Divorce search and entering the spouse's names.

Joanna's mother's maiden name was registered as Monro when Joanna's birth (as Joanna Hale Monro) was registered, which was perjury under the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953.

The truth is safely preserved in the General Register Office (GRO) indexes. Future biographers and serious historians will always look at the official certificates, and not rely on the current Wikipedia entry.

Thank you. ~2026-27137-36 (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

African wild/Painted dogs

So~ How does one get the title changed? ~2026-39637-15 (talk) 04:14, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @~2026-39637-15! You may want to start a discussion at Talk:African wild dog tony 04:24, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Dearest tony. Please tell me you are able to put the edits I made back once the title is figured out. CamBawnBawn (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Lets not put the cart before the horse :) I should mention that the title we use on Wikipedia is generally the most commonly used name, not necessarily the name that specific organizations prefer. If you want the name to be changed you will need to check the references in the article to see what name they use for the dogs. tony 04:40, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

The references would use African wild dog because the name change only happened in the last couple years. Key word being name change. If it's a search results issue, surely there's a way to fix that. CamBawnBawn (talk) 04:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

We typically use the term that most reliable sources use. If that term is still African wild dog then we might need to wait until the world begins using that new name. tony 04:48, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the world... CamBawnBawn (talk) 05:31, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

You could read WP:RM to learn the process of requesting an article be moved to a new name, and then file an appropriate request on the article's talk page, using the correct template, as outlined in the RM instructions. - In solidarity, UtherSRG (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

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Interceptor user script

Hi TonySt! It's been a long time since we've talked! I hope that you're doing well and that life is treating you kindly. :-) I had a question about your Interceptor script (located at User:TonySt/CVPI.js). At the end of your code, you add a portlet link to the interceptor run page that's located at the personal top menu of links for everyone, but you don't set the parameter to have the link appear in front of a different menu item so that its location is consistent for everyone (example: nextnode:"#pt-sandbox" or nextnode:"#pt-preferences"). With that parameter left unset, the link to the interceptor run page will end up being placed after the "Log out" link, which throws everything off for me. I'm just curious and wanted to ask: is there a reason that you don't specify this parameter? Adding one of the examples I listed to your code should result in the interceptor link being placed before the sandbox or preferences link, respectively. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:17, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Hey @Oshwah! I'm doing well, and I hope you are too :). The addPortletLink parameters were set up initially very early on during development, and it's not something I thought about much after getting it working. I've just made a change, and next time you refresh you should now find it comfortably above the preferences link, at least on non-mobile. It's one of the (probably many) UX things that I become blind to over time, and I appreciate you showing it to me, and also offering a solution :) Thank you! --TonySt 18:27, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

TonySt - Thanks for the response! I'm doing okay myself; I've been busy with life-related tasks for awhile, and they're starting to make me go crazy. :-) Awesome! Thank you so much for making that change! I can confirm that the nextnode parameter that you added to the 'p-personal' addPortletLink() function call now consistently displays the Interceptor link before the user preferences link. This will make my wiki life much easier. :-) I really appreciate the change! I'll definitely let you know if I find anything else that I think could use an update or an improvement code-wise. In the meantime, back to work I go! :-D Take care - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:40, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Warning users for unsourced BLP edits (and regarding Interceptor)

Hello again, Stark! I have just noticed in your contributions that you use {{uw-unsourced}} while reverting unsourced BLP edits using C.V.P.I. I recommend using {{uw-biog}}, which makes it more obvious that the user has edited a BLP instead of a standard article in where uw-unsourced can be used. Have a nice day, and good luck coding that! – SimpleObjects-9ei 🏖️/☀️/🥵 19:34, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh yeah Stark, also be careful when a user uses C.V.P.I. to revert an edit of a user with a highly offensive or egregious username, as Interceptor is set to warn users after reverting an edit using it. One time I saw this kind of thing to happen was in Argentina national football team when Hamimh2 reverted an edit of an offensive username and we don't want to waste admins' time having to revdel the creation logs of the "User talk:Grossly offensive username" pages. SimpleObjects-9ei 🏖️/☀️/🥵 (see talk) 23:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello! A tip: after an editor is reported to AIV it stops using their username in edit summaries, and no longer warns the editor unless you choose a level in the dashboard. Also, if you manually report an editor to AIV via the dashboard, CVPI does not mention their username in the edit summary of the report to AIV. If it's an LTA with an offensive name, I usually just manually report via the dashboard before making any reverts (and I usually don't revert them more than once per article). TonySt 23:47, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

dawg, just let me vandalise🙏🙏🙏

I believe i am a donut ~2026-40612-12 (talk) 05:20, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

let me c=vandalize kuzhal pwease ~2026-40612-12 (talk) 05:28, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

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Vandalism

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Mehboob Studio, you may be blocked from editing. Есливлазс (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		Thank you for creating one of the greatest Wikipedia tools of all time! It makes RC patrolling so much easier, and works identically on mobile! Axolitl (talk | contribs) 05:24, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

Appreciated Axolitl :) I'm happy to hear that it's helping. Thank you for patrolling recent changes! --TonySt 15:08, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

+1 the tool is unbelievably helpful. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:52, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

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Recent Edit Reversion

Recently, you reverted an edit of mine on Screaming Bloody Murder as you assumed it was a test edit. However, it was not a test edit, instead it was a minor edit updating some grammar that was likely left over from before the album's release. I changed "is" to "was," and I also removed a comma as there was only one name after. Wonderful Lemons (talk) 03:46, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Wonderful Lemons! Thank you for reaching out. You changed ”have" to "hae". TonySt 03:47, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry, that was a typo. Wonderful Lemons (talk) 03:48, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Rick Santorum

For what it's worth, the Santorum quote was in the wrong place in the article, but it's entirely real and very sourceable. "We have to make the best out of a bad situation." Jan. 20, 2012 interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, during his run for president. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 01:13, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I reverted because it wasn't properly sourced, not because it was untrue. TonySt 01:20, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 02:01, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Emory Tate

Hi, I saw your message. As a chess player, emory tate is undisputely one of the greatest chess players and any chess player will tell you that, unfortunately these gentlemen keep on revoking my edit for reasons I am unsure of. ~2026-41795-39 (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I tried to defend you when Mario was labelling you a vandal, but you're not making this easy. Stop trying to add stuff when it gets reverted. Go to the article talk page instead. Wikipedia is not the free for all anarchist project that it used to be. I know Emory Tate has his fans but he wasn't an all time great or anything like that. He was a master with highly variable results due to his double-edged style. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:35, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello! On Wikipedia, details about people need to be supported by a reliable source. If published reliable sources do exist, we can add them as inline citations so readers can verify the information themselves. You can read more about Wikipedia's verifiability policy by clicking this link, and more about citing sources here at this link. Take care. TonySt 04:39, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

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• The Readers Growth team has concluded its experiment with mobile page previews and will not roll out the feature. Page Previews are a pop-up bottom sheet that appears when readers tap a blue link, showing a thumbnail, lead paragraph, and an option to open the article. The experiment showed flat retention and negative indicator metrics, suggesting that mobile web readers preferred navigating directly to linked articles rather than using page previews.
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Message

I noticed that a message you recently left to a newcomer may have been unduly harsh. Please remember not to bite the newcomers. If you see others making a common mistake, consider politely pointing out what they did wrong and showing them how to correct it. It may take some time, but it helps us retain new editors. Thank you. Please do not bite newcomers. You keep reverting my edits without putting anything on the talk page. I understand you thought that a brief quotation was a copyright issue but Zi fixed that by using the wikipedia template for dictionary.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-41649-10 (talk) 05:11, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello! As I mentioned on your talk page, you cannot copy text from your sources. Everything you contribute here needs to be written in your own words. Please do not copy and paste text from copyrighted sources, even with a reference. --TonySt 05:16, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

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Why did you remove what I added to “List of Last Words(21st Century)”? Tyler’s were from Instagram and Frickers on google FoxyBushtail4783 (talk) 16:47, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi Foxy! On Wikipedia, things we write regarding people need to have citations to reliable sources so the reader can verify the information. You can read more about our verifiability policy by clicking this link. Take care --TonySt 17:15, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

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Have you considered taking up a mop?

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. I think you would be a good administrator, and you appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

Interested in becoming an administrator? Check out some RfA advice, or ask a nominator about next steps!

– LuniZunie_(talk) 17:53, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Definitely a candidate I would be willing to support. +1! Lynch44 21:39, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Very appreciated Luni & Lynch! It's not something I've given much thought in the past... Maybe someday :) TonySt 22:22, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

You've only been here 20 years; do you think you have sufficient experience? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:26, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Been here longer than I've been alive... – LuniZunie_(talk) 15:29, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Truthfully I imagine most editors, myself included, can't ever be completely certain of whether they themselves are experienced enough for the bit, regardless of years. It's something only other experienced users can judge, really. The only thing I'm sure of is I will never stop finding new things to learn about the project. --TonySt 18:27, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Man. I've gotta admit. Tony's one of the reasons I started getting into anti-vandalism. He's literally a grade A+ editor and it will be super awesome to see him help out with the blocking here.‎ — B.J (talk) 04:38, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Tony's one of the reasons I started getting into anti-vandalism
Me too. – LuniZunie_(talk) 04:39, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

That means a lot, I appreciate it BJ & Luni! TonySt 16:48, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Without Tony's counter-vandalism script, I barely would a help with stopping vandalism. Interceptor has been helpful beyond belief and Tony is always so friendly and welcoming. I would 100% support an adminship campaign for possibly the best vandalism fighter Wikipedia has. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:49, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

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USS Arizona

Good morning. I see your feedback about inclusion of information about the silver from the USS Arizona.

Can you suggest a way to include the information about the silver?

The article was written in 1994 when I did the initial cataloging of the silver in the Capitol Museum which the Museum turned into a booklet about the service. It is factual in the sense that I handled each piece for descriptions (markings, measurements, weights), talked to Pearl Harbor survivors, salvage divers, etc. The article about the Miner is about the finding of the missing bronze that was part of the silver service.

Thanks LPinAZ (talk) 13:03, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi @LPinAZ! Thanks for reaching out. Your best bet is to leave a message with the links (and the context for where they come from) on the article's talk page (click here) to let editors know about these resources. Interested editors can use the information to write content about USS Arizona, and they would then cite your articles with citations supporting the information they add. Thank you for stopping by :) TonySt  20:43, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. LPinAZ (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

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You're fast

I was looking at recent changes and when I went to see what that person added to five below, you already reverted it. Impressive SeafoamKitten (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Appreciated, welcome to Wikipedia! TonySt  02:39, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Possible improvements for CPVI

1) A dark mode 2) A version for non-rollbackers 3) Auto report to AIV after being warned for non-vandalism after the max level warning (ie. Blanking past final warning). In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 04:25, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Hey @Dafootballguy! Thank you for stopping by :) I'm going to talk about these in reverse order.

It's intentional that it doesn't auto-report when you use a "auto level" button in the dashboard, since many items in the dashboard correspond to behavior that usually doesn't belong at AIV. For your example, if they're blanking whole articles over and over and they're at max level, I'd recommend just using the normal red vandalism button in the toolbar to rollback & auto report, since you're (probably correctly) interpreting their repeated wholesale blanking as vandalism.

I'm pretty firmly in the camp that semiautomated diff viewers should require rollback rights, since they can cause a lot of problems if used ineptly or in bad faith. Earning rollback rights is a relatively good indication that an editor is ready to use these tools.

CVPI does have a dark mode, but it follows your device's settings. So if your phone/computer is set to light mode, it appears as light mode, and if your device is set to dark mode it switches to dark mode instead. At least, that's the way it's supposed to work -- if that's not how it's working for you please let me know and I might ask you for details about your device so I can fix the bug :) TonySt  15:39, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

I'm using a light mode, but I wanted a switch similar to the colorblind mode to turn it to dark mode. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 16:45, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt a bit of a random question. I just designed a script that filters offensive images and want to add it to the script library. Can I link it to my .js if there are other scripts there (like CPVI)? In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 17:21, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@Dafootballguy, I'll keep the "dark mode toggle" idea in mind for the menu -- I can see where there might be cases when it's useful to have dark mode enabled even if you have your device set to light mode.

For your scripting question: common.js is (usually) used as a place where we import scripts, rather than where scripts are written or stored. If I were you, I would move the content filter script into a new .js file (maybe at User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js). Then you could install it into your common.js by adding importScript('[[User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js]]'); as a new line to your common.js. TonySt  17:47, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt I tried that, but the filter stopped functioning. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 17:56, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@Dafootballguy, looks like you missed the top and bottom of your script when you copied it to User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js TonySt  17:59, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt still not working. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 18:01, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@Dafootballguy Looks like you removed more of the script. Go to this version of your common.js, copy everything beginning with line 11 all the way to line 102, and then paste that as the content of User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js. Your current common.js looks good, it's just the ImageContentFilter.js that is incomplete. TonySt  18:08, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt I pasted it in 3 sections (the only way it'd work on mobile). Not working. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 18:16, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@Dafootballguy, apologies, at the end of your common.js, remove the brackets from the script name. So instead of importScript('[[User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js]]'); it should be importScript('User:Dafootballguy/ImageContentFilter.js'); TonySt  18:19, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

That worked, how do I add this to the script library? In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 18:22, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

If you mean the user scripts list, there should be some information on that list page with instructions on how to add your script to the list. TonySt  18:25, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt I built another script, can you add it to the library for me? In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 21:14, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you add the script to the list yourself, but only after testing it extensively to make sure it works as you expect :) TonySt  23:17, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

It does. I'm working on ReportHub, a way to report to all locations (AIV, ANI, SPI). This one is like ultraviolet except it works for mobile. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:20, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt do you want to test it? The installation directions are here. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:40, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Not at this time, but thank you! TonySt  00:38, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt can you help me code a section so the reports are signed. It reports without a signature and all the fixes I try break it. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 01:07, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help with that. TonySt  01:35, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

It's OK. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 02:03, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

I want to install some mobile friendly scripts. Ideas? In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 22:24, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt can you give me a way to use the old view of the dashboard on CPVI, the new way is not colorblind friendly :(. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:11, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

@Dafootballguy I'm not sure what you mean -- the dashboard hasn't changed in a very long time unless you've found a bug. TonySt  23:25, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

I tried to screenshot it but that isn't allowed. It has big bubbles for the dashboard. With vandalism and report to AIV in all red, as well as the final level warning. Does this make sense? In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 23:58, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

@TonySt just letting you know I'll be keeping Shabbat as per my religion. I won't be able to respond until sunday. In solidarity Dafootballguy Want to talk? 00:49, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

AI successionism page

Hi thanks for msg. Brevity is probably best so: I added about 8 words to the page then put what follows as backup in the form to substantiate:

‘Chaos was described by Edward Lorenz as: ‘When the present determines the future but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future.’ Tech systems that determine the approximate present are not competent to ‘determine the future path of life’ - the phrase is mathematically illiterate and morally vacant.´

All true I think.

The few words I added to the page were something like:

‘Edward Lorenz’s definition of chaos is relevant here.’

All true too I think.

One could argue of course, but I don’t see anything false from me. Do say if you do.

AI successionism seems to me a ruse.

My few words were deleted within (my guess) less than a minute. I thought that sabotage of W principles so told the deleter so.

I love and admire Wikioedia and have always defended it - from the first. I oppose sabotage.

All best 🌱 ~2026-44479-95 (talk) 20:04, 14 August 2026 (UTC)