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Bitch (album)

Hello, I know you've made some edits on Bitch - there is a talk page discussion on the article regarding the proper name of the record label in the lead. Can you please leave a comment on the discussion? Pillowdelight (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Lies of P writers

Hi. I think your edit in April 2026 of the Lies of P article was made in good faith, but I have some reservations about listing David Noonan and Cory Herndon as the game's writers based solely on the end credits. The credits place them under "External Development Support: Narrative" with the subsection title "Narrative Fairy Godfathers." While that clearly indicates they contributed to the game's narrative in some capacity, it does not explicitly identify them as the game's writers, lead writers, scenario writers, or similar. Concluding that they were the (core) writers seems to require an inference beyond what the credits themselves state. I've also looked through several interviews and articles about Lies of P. These consistently associate Byungsoo Kwon with the game's narrative (e.g. as lead world designer, someone who oversaw the narrative, or lead narrative designer) and discuss the work of the narrative team, but none of them explicitly identify Noonan or Herndon as the game's writers. Likewise, they stop short of calling Kwon the writer, despite his prominent narrative role. Because of that, I think listing Noonan and Herndon in the infobox's "writer" field is not sufficiently supported by the available sources and risks introducing an editorial interpretation of the credits. It may be more appropriate to remove them from that field unless a reliable source explicitly identifies them as the game's writers or explains what the "Narrative Fairy Godfathers" credit signifies. --~2026-39106-50 (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

WP:PERSONNEL

Hey Sock. We've edited on the same album articles a few times and I appreciate how good you are at adding personnel sections and cleaning up track listing templates. You recently removed the administrative credits from The Real Me (Future album) while citing WP:PERSONNEL, a section of the page MOS:ALBUM. The specific part I believe you're using is this:

Some albums have credits for members of management teams, web designers, and artists and repertoire representatives who have little if anything to do with the creation of an album. Additionally, sometimes liner notes can have long lists of thank yous to individuals who were completely unrelated. These unrelated individuals should not be listed—only report artistic and technical personnel who had some direct involvement in the creation of the recording or artwork itself. This can include performers, photographers and graphic artists, painters and illustrators, liner note authors, engineers, producers, audio mixing and mastering specialists, and more.

I've previously cited WP:TRACKLIST when justifying the inclusion of my edits during content disputes, so I'm totally down for following parts of MOS:ALBUM that I think are well-justified and lead to better articles, but there are also parts I ignore (like the recommendation to not include writers for samples in the track listing template, which basically everyone does on album articles anyway). I'm not particularly passionate about the A&R people being kept in, but the more I've thought about it, I'm not sure if the WP:PERSONNEL passage really makes much sense. I understand that artist management probably won't influence most albums significantly (although couldn't you make the argument that they sometimes make demands for what direction that album should take?) but I could just as easily see some editor saying that liner note authors, who are given as examples of who could be included, are trivial. Just wanted to see what you think ~2026-32492-01 (talk) 06:48, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Query

Hi Sock! I'm currently working on Kelsea Ballerini's fourth studio album, and I want to re-arrange its personnel section per the liner notes, but I'm having a trouble with this. I got a physical source on Discogs, and those personnel credits are listed in the page 7. Could you please help me to complete the album's personnel list? Feel free to refuse, thank you in advance. Regards, Camilasdandelions (✉️) 00:59, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Bring On/on the Psychics

Hello. I noticed you changed the capitalization of "Bring On the Psychics" to "Bring on the Psychics". I initially thought the latter was also correct, but then saw that other articles starting with "bring on the…" is capitalized as "Bring On the…", such as Bring On the Night, "Bring On the Dancing Horses", "Bring On the Rain", etc. As a result, I changed the title to have an uppercase "o" in "On" and will change it back again to this. I then searched up why this was, as "on" isn't usually capitalized in a title. This website () explains the reason why "on" in some instances is capitalized: "For example, in Lay It All on Me, 'on' is a preposition and must be lowercased, but it is used as an adjective in It's On Again and as an adverb in I Could Go On Singing, so it must be capitalized in both cases." Thank you for trying to fix what I also thought was incorrect. Spinmeisters (talk) 04:42, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Manual of Style mention

Just thought I would point out that in this edit you violated MOS:THECAPS. If not at the beginning of a sentence, the "T" in the Elements should not be capitalised. I have noticed you introduce this on multiple articles and thought I would kindly point it out. Also, {{Infobox album}} auto-embeds {{Flatlist}} with its producers, so we format them as exampled in third cite note as noted in the template documentation. As well, "[c]redits are adapted from Tidal." is an improper sentence. "The credits are adapted from Tidal." would be the proper sentence. livelikemusic (TALK!) 15:53, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

The edit you tried to link didn't work, so please feel free to give that another try. However, I believe you're misreading MOS:THECAPS, and should also be looking at MOS:THEMUSIC instead since that is specific to musicians. The lowercase usage of "the" for artist names is specifically referencing its use in prose, not lists like we find in credits. I never capitalize "The" in the middle of sentences, only in credits. Each list item should be properly capitalized as if it is the beginning of the sentence, much like we see "Del Toro" capitalized for Benicio del Toro when it begins a sentence, but always write it "del Toro" when in the middle of a sentence. Please refer to this passage from MOS:LISTFORMAT): When elements contain (or are) titles of works or other proper names, these retain their original capitalization, regardless how the rest of the list is formatted. (emphasis mine)

I appreciate the heads up on the producer parameter, as I think I built that habit with hlists years ago and have just kept using it since it seems to be used by others as well. I can definitely change to using the embedded flatlist for the future!

Finally, for the language used for Tidal credits, I have consistently been told whatever I do is wrong and I don't know who's right at this point. For a long time, I used Credits adapted from Tidal, but was told I either needed "are" or "were" to be correct, and now you're saying I need "The" at the front. I'm not convinced that you're correct here though, and would like you to point to what makes you think my current verbiage is wrong. "Movies are made by directors" is a proper sentence, so I can't understand how "Credits are adapted from Tidal" would not be, but I'm more than willing to be wrong here. Sock (tock talk) 17:17, 13 August 2026 (UTC)