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Articles for Creation backlog drive

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Hello PamD:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive in August!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than a month of outstanding reviews from the current 3+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 August 2026 through 31 August 2026.

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Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is a backlog of over 5000 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

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pennine

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from the letter setting out the plans

Blackburn with Darwen Council, Burnley Council, Hyndburn Borough Council, Pendle Borough Council and Rossendale Borough Council (referred to in the proposal as ‘Pennine Lancashire’)

Morwen (talk) 20:22, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I've just seen that. Interesting that it doesn't get a mention in any of the news coverage that I've seen. Ditto "Fylde Coast". Redirects needed until the dust settles. PamD 20:24, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
This is part of why I think it would have been better to keep them as drafts. Morwen (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think the names are less important than the structure, which has now been agreed: we can move articles, and provide redirects from alternative/rejected names, if the names change. PamD 20:33, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've added the two alt names, sourced to Reed's letter, and made redirects. PamD 21:09, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think we should use the names in the letter until we get confirmation for the names and news does return results for "Fylde Coast" unitary. Do you have any objections on moving to Fylde Coast (district) and Pennine Lancashire? The latter would also remove the need to disambiguate. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think we'd do better to stick to the NSEW names, as they are used in the sources I've seen. I've made redirects/hatnotes, and we can move them later if need be. PamD 21:19, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply


Major

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Hi PamD, Thanks for moving Lenia Major from Major to Major (surname). I did not notice, but this indeed is the right place. Shouldn't Ann Major and Lee Major be moved as well from Major to Major (surname)? Same goes for Lee Majors - shouldn't he be moved from Major to Majors (surname)? Thanks again, The Regulator 1 (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

@The Regulator 1 No, there's a difference between real names and pen names or pseudonyms. That's why I said "remove individual real person,..." in my edit summary, but perhaps that wasn't clear - and "real name" was what I meant anyway.
I was just coming to your talk page to ask: did you actually write Lenia Major or is it a translation of the fr.wiki article? If the latter, you need to acknowedge that fact and thus give credit to the French editors. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. I see that some of your other recent article creations are also on French topics - same applies there.
Another point on Lenia Major: we don't link years - I see that the French list of publications links to the French version of 2026 in literature etc for each item, and we don't even do that usually in lists of publications in en.wiki, but please go back and tidy up your links - they seem to have some very odd piping too, perhaps from going through the list and editing the year links at speed? PamD 16:50, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, PamD !!
Now I understand what you menat by "real" in this context...
Indeed this is mostly based on translation from the French Wikipedia. I was not aware that credit should be given in such cases, and I will be more than happy to do so going forward, and I will also go back to all my tranlations thus far, and do the same - thanks again for this.
Specifically for Lenia Major, I added in the "talk page" the "This article contains a translation of Lenia Major from fr.wikipedia." comment.
As for the linked years - I just removed, hopefully all of them. And used this opportunity to add a "Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Lenia Major" comment on that edit (better late then never... next time it will be on my first edit comment.
Cheers,
The Regulator 1 (talk) 17:32, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia: 20 years in I learn new stuff all the time! PamD 17:53, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Glossary of music terminology#in alt

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Pam, hello! I wonder if you would like to help with this, since I know you have OED access (and are probably quite nifty at doing OED citations). I don't remember if you do music, but this is a language curiosity really. At some stage the entry "in alt" got changed to "in alto", since it looks like a misprint of Italian; you can see what happened on the talk page. It turns out that the word "alt", just that, is given in the SOED as meaning "high", um "from Latin", with a citation in the 16th century. Then through various (genuine) music references, it is said that "in alt" refers to the octave (G-F) above the musical staff, and "is commonly found in choral music". Hmm, this is not the "commonly" I am used to - it is utterly unclear how the expression would be used. It doesn't make sense as a musical direction. There is then said to be another expression in altissimo (is this also "English"? surely that would be "in altest"?); this it is claimed refers to the next octave higher. Well, this is vastly outside the range of choral singing; the famous Queen of the Night aria from the Magic Flute I think goes to the top of the "alt" octave, but that is an extreme of solo technique. In the first instance, a proper OED citation would be nice, then I wonder if you have any ideas on trying to establish when (and how!) this expression was actually used. It might just be a historical relic that one might come across in musty old musicology texts. Grateful for any help... Imaginatorium (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hallo @Imaginatorium I'm pretty sure OED is available through the Wikipedia Library as is Grove online for musical reference. My desktop machine is playing up at the moment and phone isn't ideal for that sort of digging around but I can find stuff on "in alt" and on "in altissimus": not all music is vocal, there are piccolos etc? Can't really help for next few days, will be away even from the sluggish desktop machine. If you're in the UK your local public library almost certainly provides online OED access from home, too. Hope that helps somewhat! PamD 18:03, 5 August 2026 (UTC)Reply