User talk:Bagumba

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thanks for trying to standardize the college stats tables. Getting rid of those team colors is a real chore. Also, congrats on 200K edits! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Added pressure lol. There's like 600 of these left; not sure how long I was continuing. —Bagumba (talk) 17:13, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

What did you search for to figure out there are 600 left? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: About 570 for NFL players. A few hundred more for non-NFL players. —Bagumba (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

When I click the 570 link above, it says there are only 18 left. Wow, did you really do that many? Nice. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:58, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Yeah, one of those things you dont care too much about but then somehow end up wasting time on. I'm on the non-Power 4 FBS schools now, many of which I would have thought were FCS or Division II lol. —Bagumba (talk) 17:36, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

It's surprising sometimes what teams are in the FBS. Keep in mind there are like 120 FBS teams, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Nevermind, there are 138 FBS teams now. I was still living in like 2014. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Fanboys. —Bagumba (talk) 17:21, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

So silly. That's not even standard. Where do people get these ideas from? lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:24, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Speaking of "standard", it seems that college stats tables have a "Season" column, while NFL has "Year" e.g. Tom_Brady#Career_statistics. —Bagumba (talk) 17:30, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I'd favor Year over Season since it's shorter and they both mean the same thing. It looks like NBA articles use Year for both college and pro: Anthony Davis. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: The joys of a standard template ({{NBA player statistics start}}) —Bagumba (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Psychedelic. Randomly stumbled upon, as it doesn't even use {{CollegePrimaryStyle}}. —Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Wow, that might be the worst one ever. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:00, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: United Nations format—Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: What's the record for most college levels played? —Bagumba (talk) 06:05, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Dang, is the NCAA logo really public domain? LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:42, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

What's the record for most colleges started at? JT_Daniels#College_statistics. Dang COVID era. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: The new norm with xfer portal and NIL. —Bagumba (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I guess GA reviewers don't notice or care that JC stats are unduly mixed with NCAA (i.e. real college) stats, but then are excluded from the career totals. —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

I changed it to "NCAA career". I'm going to assume readers aren't that ignorant. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:01, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Only editors lol. —Bagumba (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

Lol. We could also potentially do a column for NJCAA and NCAA. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Mix in the HS stats too! I could live with that over the draft measurements. —Bagumba (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

There's not a source for Jackson's junior college stats anyway... lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: On a tangent, Jackson's image reminds me of Hank Gathers' before. Both died young. RIP. —Bagumba (talk) 15:58, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 BHAM WTF LOL —Bagumba (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

• It's fun finding ones where I don't have to change a bunch of stuff. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:42, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 I've found this format on a lot of Notre Dame pages to be the most annoying for me so far. —Bagumba (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

  Really? I thought those ones were easier than most, lol. You can just use find and replace to get rid of those colors. It's at the top right of the edit window. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:06, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I was today years old when I realized I didn't need to cut and paste to an external text editor to do a replace. Lol. And I'm lazy about coming up with regular expressions on JWB. —Bagumba (talk) 16:09, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

  Don't worry. I didn't realize there was a find and replace function either until a few years ago. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

What great colors at Kyle Kennard. I can barely even see the school name. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:54, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: OFFICIAL COLORS!! —Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Someone drank the Kool-Aid. —Bagumba (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks for fixing it. I don't understand why some people think that's better. It's seven rows longer. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:03, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Some editors dont care about space, like that table. —Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

• Just to be clear, I've never added colors to any of my stat tables. Some wise guy came along and added them later. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:38, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I'm usually too lazy to add stats tables, let alone colors. If I did add color, I blame WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS lol. —Bagumba (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  Another "wise" move ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

• Did you know that Charles Woodson was the first defensive player to win the Heisman even though all of the early Heisman winners played defense too? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

  Going to intrude on this conversation. This made me LOL. Red Director (talk) 21:58, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

  Feel free. The more the merrier!! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: The body says "first primarily defensive". —Bagumba (talk) 00:43, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  That sentence isn't even true. "He was the first primarily defensive player to win the prestigious award, with the only other defensive winner being two-way player Travis Hunter in 2024." The first 13 winners or so were all two-way players.... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:05, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  Did you know that Carl Torbush was an "American American"? Red Director (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  Cue up "Real American". —Bagumba (talk) 07:01, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 That would have fitted right in with past infamous "first"'s posted on WP:DYK. —Bagumba (talk) 06:57, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  Are there really some infamous ones? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I couldn't cite them. There's always some brouhahah over whether all "first" blurbs should be banned. Often, the nominator unintentionally ORs some first and the approver doesnt catch it. Other times, the source is wrong, e.g. saying it's the first ever when it happened already in another country, or saying its the first in college sports when it happened before in NAIA (or Juco lol). —Bagumba (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

• Maybe we should add Playoff Bowl champ to NFL players' infoboxes a la NBA Cup? It's official. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
• Did you know that 32-year NFL running backs coach and Los Angeles Rams offensive coordinator Chick Harris was deleted over ten years ago for "never a head coach; no evidence for notability"? I've seen some other assistant coaches PRODed in the past. I might have to go through and look at more coaching red links to see if anything else notable was deleted... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:08, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Was the main signif covg from his obit? RIP. (Don't worry, I'm not AfDing it ... just looking at the current citations) Before transfer portal, it reminds me of scrub college player being "notable" merely because they transferred a few times vs better players who stayed put that can't meet GNG. —Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  I wasn't specifically looking for tons of SIGCOV, just enough to make a start-class article. But there is the KHOU source in the article in addition to the ProFootballTalk one. There was also something about his Panthers hiring from the 90s. I thought I added that to the article but I guess not. I'll add it.

  Also, the transfer portal stuff is just silly. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  Actually, I couldn't find the original Panthers source for some reason... but I added a different one. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: NCAA is toothless at this point. I wonder if players can bet on themselves transferring yet. —Bagumba (talk) 16:17, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  That would be a safe bet. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

• This vandalism existed for two days..... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:00, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 This was longer lol. —Bagumba (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

  Wow, lol.... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:24, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging everyone to let them know you fixed all of the DYK hooks. Do you want a brownie? People randomly fix the hooks a lot after they're already promoted (I think we've already discussed this though...) It's just that I received another annoying DYK ping this morning (all DYK pings are annoying, it's never anyone saying "great job!") The hook I reviewed says "that Englishman Emmanuel Oyebadejo earned an American football scholarship in the U.S. after just one year of playing the sport?" Someone pinged us and said "while the article says that he first played American football in the UK, it does not say that he was unfamiliar with the sport previously" Yeah, since some guy watching NFL on Youtube is obviously going to get signed to an FBS team with no playing experience. I thought the blokes at In the News said no one in England even cares about American football. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:50, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Feel free to vent. But I paused before figuring out it wasnt me lol —Bagumba (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Did you know that this is a pointless cite even though it was the best source for "In 2017, he competed with undrafted rookie Shane Smith for the Giants' fullback position". The removed cite (dated Sept 3, 2017) said "Smith not only had to compete with another undrafted rookie, Jacob Huesman, all spring and summer". Now the only source in the article says "Huesman is listed ahead of another rookie, Shane Smith of San Jose State, at fullback on the unofficial depth chart" That source (dated Aug. 7, 2017) doesn't say he competed with anyone... I thought the DYK police were sticklers for accuracy? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:30, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Ah, the neat-and-tidy type, but not a Mr. CiteBundle. —Bagumba (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I restored it. I just assumed the NYP was being blindly removed, but there was still the other one there anyways. Go figure. —Bagumba (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

A backwards article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:52, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Pretty much from day 1. How did "prep" ever become associated with public high schools? —Bagumba (talk) 16:16, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

"preparatory" I'm guessing. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: My dictionary says "usually private", and that's how I hear it used in my parts, but sports pages do say "prep football" for any HS football. I also chuckle at bios that drop in "matriculate". —Bagumba (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Is this guy still a redshirt senior? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Always a bad idea to have fields likely to become dated. Any still listed with undeclared major? —Bagumba (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

No majors left. The field doesn't work anymore. Also, the college football bio infobox was intentionally set up to keep the colors there forever. I'm not kidding. That was the standard. I always thought it was crazy when I went to an early 20th-century player's article and they had team colors, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Probably the same boosterism spirit that gives us those rainbow tables. —Bagumba (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Here's one I found in the wild: Eddie Mahan. I've removed a lot of those when I come across them but I guess there are still some left. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Another nice article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: It reads like he's in the xfer portal. —Bagumba (talk) 20:19, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I know right. That didn't even exist yet. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Re: Jordan Love - I won't comment there because I don't want to pile on or fan the flames just due to one article (like you said: "Unfortunately, you don't WP:OWN WP, and you're just perpetuating your WP:SYSTEMICBIAS based off a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Now, I'll start an RfC and all the votes in the poll will overturn it.") Don't wanna risk a bigger debate, lol. If the college stats were good, would they be worth including? If his college stats weren't great, some readers will want to know that (like Trevor Siemian). For whatever reason, Gonzo always thinks he has to put his unique mark on Packers articles. He is intentionally keeping Green Bay Packers all-time roster and List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks different from all the other lists. It's like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant, you have to mark your territory. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:46, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Speak now or forever hold your peace. Or just pull out the LOCALCONSENSUS card any time lol. —Bagumba (talk) 15:48, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  It's funny how LOCALCONSENSUS works both ways. WP:NFLSTYLEPL is just a LOCALCONSENSUS, but likewise, Talk:Jordan Love is just a LOCALCONSENSUS as well. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:52, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Wikilawyering 101. —Bagumba (talk) 15:54, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  And now he's pulling the high school stats card. I knew he'd do that. I've seen it all before. Love's HS stats aren't at Sports Reference (a reliable source). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  - Hey, I thought WP:NFL was local consensus? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:38, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Have they used that before? I hate those members that obviously game the system with LOCALCONSENSUS, and then the outsiders that fall for it. —Bagumba (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  that is a project layout advice page, not a policy or guideline ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: And then there's always someone that will counter that you "should attempt to follow guidelines", not must lol. —Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  and then WP:Ignore all rules. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:09, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  I'm not going to say anything. It looks like he's outnumbered anyway. I'm sure if I piled on, he could come along and complain about something at Josh McCown (my magnum opus). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: WP:POINTY on WP?!? Never! —Bagumba (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  "WP:POINTY on WP": That's why I haven't started a formal RfC against the hockey infobox despite complaining about it for years. I know the NHL editors will clap back against the NFL infobox about practice squads or something. There was a hockey editor at the NFL highlights debate earlier this year !voting to remove all awards from the gridirion infobox..... Facepalm ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: The good and bad with RfCs is that it draws outsiders. Look at Kershaw. Then there's other RfCs that nobody outside understands or cares what is being talked about, and it just ends up being the same ol crowd anyways. —Bagumba (talk) 16:51, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• Also, on an unrelated note, it's funny how Olympic medallists aren't even notable anymore. You have to cite IAR to try and keep it. WP:NSPORTS should just be marked as an essay at this point. That's not even the first Olympic medalist that got AfDed recently. And forget non-medalists, those always get deleted or redirected. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I think NSPORTS filled a need when WP needed content and was ok with stub assembly lines. Now, GNG is the way to go. —Bagumba (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  I tried to depreciate it recently but no luck lol: Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Purpose of NSPORT. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• I like getting pinged and blamed for stuff I didn't do. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
• Amy Garnett: She's a hooker? Isn't that a BLP violation? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: What a waste of words. Just do like some WP:NFLers: "English rugby union hooker". American football tight end ... lol. —Bagumba (talk) 06:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

• Our NY Post warrior is an admin candidate now. Yay. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/TechnoSquirrel69. "He does excellent work at WP:DYK" and "work[s] to combat systemic bias on Wikipedia". LOL ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Maybe he'll be asked how he would close the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know § Jacob Huesman (nom). —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  Not looking likely. It's already 94 supports and 0 opposes. I won't leave one though. Don't wanna be POINTY. That would probably just cause a bunch of people to flock to the Huesman DYK, and agree with him..... which would really screw up the nomination. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 It wouldnt be pointy. That's when you dont believe it, but just go scorched earth and apply it anyways. Well, you might need to consider alternative sources or hook, if they're going to let one dissenter railroad it because seemingly either sports ≠ entertainment or this is somehow controversial for a living person. —Bagumba (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  I know right. He doesn't like FootballDB or the college bios either. He's just dead-set against the article for some reason. Why doesn't he AfD it if it's not notable? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  There is a lot of other SIGCOV out there, but I didn't add it to the article randomly just to add it. The college bio already had a lot of the detail that I needed. I thought people didn't want citation overkill? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  I can't access most of those other sources anyway since they're paywalled. I looked for one of them on Newspapers.com but didn't see it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 Imagine what happens if they do get the mop. I'll defer to you. I generally haven't participated at RfA for years anyways. —Bagumba (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 We could also get explicit clarification at WP:RSN re: sports on NY Post. An LA Times sports writer recently went to their sister California Post. I've sometimes used it, as I havent noticed a change in their writing since, which seems consistent with others' Post comments. —Bagumba (talk) 16:54, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  I bit the bullet and already getting bludgeoned within minutes. Imagine if I actually opposed instead of just "neutral". I'd be lynched. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Good karma —Bagumba (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_403#New_York_Post_sports_coverage ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:10, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  I told you someone would think I was being POINTY, lol. Facepalm Imagine if I actually put "oppose". I'm not a reasonable person. I "knowingly cited at least two NYP articles in a BLP". Hang me at noon. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:45, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: It's pretty clear neither replier actually read the thread. It's probably no coincidence that your nom got some activity after your post. And seemingly convenient there's no longer concerns that entertainment ≠ sports or that it's controversial. —Bagumba (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

  "I generally haven't participated at RfA for years anyways." I know right. That's because there are hardly any RfAs anymore: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship by year/2026. Most people do admin elections nowadays..... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:15, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I'm reminded that they seem either to be witch hunts or circle jerks. —Bagumba (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

  Look how many opposes and neutrals there are at the admin elections: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship by year/2026. The RfAs, in comparison, barely have anyone who isn't !voting support. No one wants to stand alone in the oppose section and get hung. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 11:56, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: The things I "miss" while gone. Is this that supposed generational trend? —Bagumba (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

  You might be right. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

  No wonder some people think Wikipedia is biased, if the sources I used are "garbage". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:34, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I don't want to be blamed for tanking ur nom lol. —Bagumba (talk) 15:48, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

  No worries, I'm not asking you to reply there or anything. Just venting to someone. LOL. The matter is settled but people always want to get the final word..... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:56, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

  I don't care at all about you potentially tanking the nom though, so don't worry about me. Source discussions are more important than sneaking the Huesman article onto the main page, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: It just seemed to turn into a power trip instead of going with consensus. They were the only one to object there, and then the RfA comments by others who didn't even address (or read?) the points in the thread. I guess that's how things roll these days. —Bagumba (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Yeah, I'm the one being unreasonable and petty though. Dude, even Jimbo himself thinks Wikipedia is biased nowadays. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:56, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: It beats being a yes-man. —Bagumba (talk) 17:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  I didn't realize you could vote neutral. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Were they only feigning being neutral before? —Bagumba (talk) 16:29, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Wow, I never even made that connection! You notice everything! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:33, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  (Conspiracy theory) TarnishedPath posted that "is everything okay with the nom now thing" right after you said you added the NY Post source back into the article. TarnishedPath knew that someone like AirshipJungleman29 might come along and approve the hook, so they left that message in order to postpone it. That's bad faith right there. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Save it for their RfA lol. —Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  They'll still lynch me for being "petty" though. (Conspiracy theory) If you have 500K edits, it seems like you're not allowed to have an opinion. You have to sit it out. I'm obviously just a power user that can be blamed for whatever their perceived problems with Wikipedia or society are. It's like when people blame the U.S. president for literally everything that happens. I'm a totem pole that needs to be knocked down, lol. If I had 2k edits and posted that same RfA !vote, a few people probably would have came to my side and voted !oppose or neutral. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Doesn't having one reference at the end of the paragraph make it look like everything prior is missing citations? I've seen someone do the CONSECUTIVECITE thing on one of my other articles, and Red Director actually came by later and added a reference because it looked like it was missing. LOL. CONSECUTIVECITE doesn't seem to say what that guy thinks it does though: "Material (e.g., the fact that elephants are mammals) that is repeated multiple times in a paragraph does not require an inline citation for every mention." None of that stuff is repeated. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:24, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: It's sometimes a pain to find the exact guideline for references, cuz sometimes it's just an essay that's widely followed. But one cite per paragraph seems fine, if in fact it supports the whole thing. It starts getting messed up when people add text later without following WP:INTEGRITY. —Bagumba (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  "It starts getting messed up when people add text later without following WP:INTEGRITY" Which is pretty much what always happens. At one point in time, I was actually doing the "one cite per paragraph" thing. However, when I went back through my old articles, I had to manually check each paragraph to make sure everything was supported. It saves a lot of future headaches to just have a ref for each sentence, in my opinion. I can't edit war with everyone over everything though. I have to let some stuff slide. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: But the DYK lobbyists got this —Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Facepalm ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:35, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  "Doesn't having one reference at the end of the paragraph make it look like everything prior is missing citations? I've seen someone do the CONSECUTIVECITE thing on one of my other articles, and Red Director actually came by later and added a reference because it looked like it was missing." See what I mean. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Was it the same editor? —Bagumba (talk) 15:37, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

  No, just showing how it makes it look like there's no ref. My crystal ball is on point. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

• Wikipedia hates cricket articles: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at Lord's. Not to mention all of the old WP:LUGSTUBS that got deleted, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

  Also, eight of those are featured lists: List of international cricket centuries at Bellerive Oval, List of international cricket centuries at Brabourne Stadium, List of international cricket centuries at the Kensington Oval, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at Brabourne Stadium, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at M. A. Chidambaram Stadium, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at McLean Park, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at the Riverside Ground, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at the Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium

  They were previously kept in 2019. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:51, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

  Obviously that means all these people didn't know what they were doing, right? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

  (talk page watcher) @WikiOriginal-9: The cricket article List of Indian Premier League umpires was an FL (anointed in 2012) when it was deleted via AfD consensus, and had previously been posted to DYK to boot. Go figure. Left guide (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  That's almost weirder that a DYK was deleted (I've seen it before though) because the DYK police are sticklers about notability nowadays. Maybe they weren't as much in the past. FLs don't have to be notable apparently. I don't see anything about notability at the featured article criteria either. Even though people oppose FA candidates for having too many local sources - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carl Zoll/archive2: "apart from a few exceptions, the whole article is sourced to press cuttings from a contemporary local newspaper." It still had more SIGCOV than those cricket lists ever had.... lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:06, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Also, how did you know about List of Indian Premier League umpires? Is there a list of Wikipedia:Deleted featured articles? That would be interesting. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Just memory from when it happened. I used to hang around AfD fairly often as a participant and the FL thing caught me by surprise. I didn't even know that was allowed. DYK I just found on the talk page now while checking the deleted talk page for when it became an FL. Left guide (talk) 15:34, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I can't be bothered to muck around in cricket to see if WP:LISTN is met. But if it was NBA and List of triple-doubles at Madison Square Garden, I'd suspect WP:OR. —Bagumba (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  I don't know anything about cricket either, lol. It's just funny. Literally everything at Template:International cricket centuries by ground used to have an article. There was at least some sort of consensus for it at one point in time. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:41, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  A few of them like List of international cricket centuries at Stormont (cricket ground) were merged: Stormont_Cricket_Ground#International_centuries. If the list is too long though like List of international cricket centuries at Bellerive Oval, it just gets deleted. That totally makes sense. Facepalm Oh well, at least there's a see also section at Bellerive_Oval#See_also that will soon be deleted. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: On a slight tangent, and with all due respect to WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, the cricket and footy projects not patrolling their own is the reason NSPORTS got stripped. —Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't really know what soccer or cricket leagues are notable though. I never really looked into it. I only know North American sports. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I'm sure someone cried American bias and took it upon themselves to make an article on every "pro" cricket and footy player. But baseball drew the line at minor leagues, basketball and football didnt assume every college player was notable, and national sources and mainstream newspapers cover NFL, MLB, and NBA. —Bagumba (talk) 17:57, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  Well, every college player is "notable" nowadays due to transfer portal coverage (LOL). The NSPORTS deletionist crowd doesn't care though. They didn't realize that getting rid of the one-game "participation" criteria for pro leagues just opened the door to tons of articles on college athletes. I don't really care though, it makes sense to just use GNG for everything. Some of those 1920s NFL players from Podunk teams aren't really notable. The NFL wasn't what it is today. It's like if in 500 years National Thoroughbred League (that's real) becomes the most popular league, editors start creating articles on random horse racers from 2025 when no one cared about it and no one got paid anything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: There used to be some essay that if a group was almost 100% notable, to WP:IAR and just complete the set w/ a standalone article for each member. Good luck these days with such "common sense". —Bagumba (talk) 05:18, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

  "Good luck these days with such 'common sense'." - Yeah, that's why we have an Olympic Gold Medalist like John Fraser (Canadian soccer) redirected: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Fraser (Canadian soccer). It was no consensus but then redirected at DRV. I'm not really complaining though. It does kinda make sense to just use GNG for everything nowadays.... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

  A new trend: GNG + NGRIDIRON ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:18, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: Someone once said athlete notability shouldn't be any more strict than for politicians. Wonder what their "achievement threshold" would be. But then sometimes I think we've all drank the Kool-Aid, cuz some of these players make me think "who cares?" too. —Bagumba (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

  It would be interesting to see what her criteria is. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9: I only skimmed, but wasn't it Cbl62's idea originally? —Bagumba (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

  I've seen Joelle say it before. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

  "I think we've all drank the Kool-Aid, cuz some of these players make me think "who cares?" too." Yeah, that's probably what Azyrii thinks about Troy Brown (basketball, born 1971) considering he nominated it for deletion. It's funny though because he just changed his !vote at Kyrese Rowan from delete to keep. LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

  @WikiOriginal-9 Brown: Nobody just cited WP:NHOOPS (drafted in 2nd round). Though I don't know if there's much to reliably write about him other than a bunch of overseas signings. Or just window dress it up with monotonous college game stat lines and gratuitous quotes. —Bagumba (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Great section headers: Andy Hamilton (American football)#Personal Testimony in Tiger Stadium ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:21, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @WikiOriginal-9: …and all that's cited to is a YouTube video with a channel having an identical surname, so likely a video shot by a family member. Left guide (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Melchior2006 added it. lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 @Left guide: Is it John 3:16 guy? —Bagumba (talk) 16:39, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

That guy is getting on my last nerve. Literally all of his moves are wrong. None of those suffixes are the players' common names. I removed all of the name suffixes from the body but of course he just added them back without thinking. People love trying to start stupid arguments with me. They get kicks out of it (Billy Ray Smith, Michael Jordan, Bluerules, etc. lol) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

If you have enough diffs that show persistent poor judgement, consider proposing a WP:TBAN at WP:AN, perhaps requiring WP:RM. Or if their RMs always fail, maybe an outright ban on moves and opening RMs. —Bagumba (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

There was a poorly attended RM that passed: Talk:Lorenzo Mauldin IV#Requested move 28 July 2026 with great support reasoning such as "Additionally, he uses this on his social media accounts, which appear active. The Instagram account is verified. In the spirit of WP:SPNC, we should follow the subject's apparent preference." I thought we needed independent sources? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Re: Mauldin: I would think MOS:SURNAME says to just use Mauldin and not Mauldin IV in prose (unless Mauldin III, II, etc. are mentioned and its ambiguous). But that's a slightly different issue than page naming. —Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Citing MOS:SURNAME would make sense but that user doesn't listen to reason, so they will just revert again and claim that suffixes aren't included. This is why we need instruction creep around here sometimes.... lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:08, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Basically need to establish consensus by maybe getting WikiProject members involved, but even than participation can be sparse. Otherwise, walk away or stoop to edit warriors' level lol. As with anywhere on WP, people can just use whatever reason they want. I mostly soured on RM after Talk:John Jefferson (American football). —Bagumba (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

For IV, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography might give input. —Bagumba (talk) 18:27, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

I think your point about Jerry Lewis vs Jerry Lee Lewis made sense. That discussion was only 6 support and 4 oppose. You never know when a WikiLawyer will show up and sway a few random voters. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: MOS:JR — "When the given name is omitted, omit the suffix – Kennedy, not Kennedy Jr. – except where the context requires disambiguation." —Bagumba (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sure that guy will read the first sentence of "Using Jr., Sr., or other such distinctions, including in the lead sentence of an article, is only for cases in which the name with the suffix is commonly used in reliable sources" and just say well it's commonly used in reliable sources. lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:25, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

I will give you this

To follow up on this, at least in your version it doesn't have two straight sentences of "played" and "played" like in my articles. "Ryan Bee (born November 12, 1995) is an American former professional football defensive end who played for the Washington Redskins of the National Football League (NFL). He played college football at Marshall. He was also a member of the Arizona Cardinals." Yours is less redundant.

I'm probably not going to personally go around changing them though since I know people like Yankees10 and Bluerules might get mad at me, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: There was/is some editor who changed "football player who was a defensive end" to "football player who played defensive end". —Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

"football player who played defensive end" Yuck. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 for your to-do list. lol. —Bagumba (talk) 07:40, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

I already tried fixing that before, but Bluerules just adds it back. "Edit war" appears on his talk page 51 times. That's not even including what he deletes without archiving Facepalm ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:11, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

***hole . ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Then there's this. —Bagumba (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

Nikkimaria can't make up his or her mind on how they want to do the leads. Sometimes, it's "American former football player. A quarterback, he played" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Did you know that saying Brady won 7 Super Bowls in the lead is "completely unnecessary"? It's basically the same thing as having his pet cat in the lead. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:45, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

I guess it was already in the lead: "and won Super Bowl LV, extending his individual records to ten Super Bowl appearances and seven victories" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:55, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Yeah, not like he won the Bill Willis Trophy. —Bagumba (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Y10 my hero. Of course, Bluerules just added it back like he always does. Something needs to be done about him. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: What did you have in mind? —Bagumba (talk) 17:12, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't think I'm going to do anything at the moment... but I'm honestly not sure how they haven't been blocked yet. Edit warriors don't usually last this long. Like I said, "'Edit war' appears on his talk page 51 times. That's not even including what he deletes without archiving" He has 3 prior blocks for edit warring. Doesn't seem to have learned much. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Nikkimaria has a third way of writing leads. Take a look at how they bungled up John Elway. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

So we have:

• Bagumba: American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL) for 16 seasons.
• Bluerules: American former professional football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 16 seasons.
• Nikkimaria (A): American former professional football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 16 seasons. (note the unlinked "football")
• Nikkimaria (B): American former football player. A quarterback, he played in the National Football League (NFL) for 16 seasons.
• Nikkimaria (C): American former National Football League (NFL) quarterback for 16 seasons.
• Nikkmaria (D): American former professional football player in the National Football League (NFL) who is considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
• Nikkmaria (E): American former professional football player. He was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL) for 18 seasons.

Which one do I pick? If I pick Bagumba or Nikkimaria, Bluerules will revert me. If I pick Bluerules, Nikkimaria will change it to one of their five versions. Nikkimaria doesn't seem to mind the Bagumba version though. Seriously, what do I do? LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: In light of the World Cup, consider the leads of the other football. —Bagumba (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

I'll assume that's a joke, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:19, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I'm not pushing for "footballer", but there's no "football goalie" or "rugby union hooker" to "save" a couple of words. Not to mention that MOS thing. —Bagumba (talk) 20:27, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Can you tell that to Bluerules? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:29, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Somewhere on the to-do list. I've got other low hanging fruit in the meantime. —Bagumba (talk) 20:32, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Seriously, what do I do?: Listen to your heart LOL. —Bagumba (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

My heart tells me to just wait until Bluerules gets blocked. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: "football player who was a" > any other non-SOB version > SOB that saves two words —Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Can you tell that to Nikkmaria? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:11, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: From what I've noticed, she has used "player who was" on pages. I believe it's when people revert that she tries to find a non-SOB compromise. —Bagumba (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Well, Bluerules isn't going to accept those other versions either so she should stop trying to please him. He can't be appeased. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:20, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Maybe that's what you're waiting for. —Bagumba (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: There's the don't even have a standalone football in the lead, let alone link it, that was one this page from day 1 —Bagumba (talk) 00:22, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Maybe unlinked "football" is a thing. —Bagumba (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

It used to be "American football cornerback", now people want to get rid of the sport link entirely? I saw someone else do that yesterday at Nate DeMontagnac....

I found the culprit: Tom Brady. It appears he has had football unlinked since November 2025.

In that scenario, you have to click three links to get to American football. quarterback → Gridiron football → American football Facepalm ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

"played" "played" "played" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:17, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Nice. And no "Clark enrolled at the University of Louisville to play college football for the Louisville Cardinals". —Bagumba (talk) 18:13, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I am known to accept advice unlike some people. LOL ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:19, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: We all know that JC ≠ college football lol. Seriously though, at least when "Louisville Cardinals" is already in the lead, we can assume the reader will recall the Cardinals, esp. when "University of Louisville" is right next to it. An arguable exception might be flagship schools like the University of California, Berkeley, with the California Golden Bears. —Bagumba (talk) 18:36, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

I personally haven't been putting JCs in the leads of my recent articles. See Omari Jordan, Chad Brown (defensive end), etc. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Then we don't need to bother finding out the mascot name for Vermilion Community College, where "Vermillion Ironhawks" anyways hides that its a CC, or we avoid a non-symmetric sentence like "played college football at Vermilion Community College and for the Buffalo Bulls". —Bagumba (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

"we don't need to bother finding out the mascot name for Vermilion Community College" THIS times 1000. And a lot of the times the mascot name isn't even the same as it was 50 years ago, so you have to go digging through Newspapers.com to find the contemporary name. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Save your time. It's probably "Indians". —Bagumba (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

LOLLL ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

You were right: at Tag Rome, I just had to write Northeast Louisiana Indians. lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:05, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 I made it DYK ready. —Bagumba (talk) 23:21, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

I found another one: I was reviewing Bob Krieger for GA and the lead says he played college football for the Dartmouth Big Green - NOPE, Dartmouth Indians. LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:42, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

Incidentally, Chad Brown (linebacker) helped me win my fantasy league one year. —Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

My hero

I hate it when people do that. Seriously, whenever I write an article that appears on DYK some wise guy comes along and adds "death" to the personal life (or later life) section header. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:55, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Oh, I hadn't noticed on DYK. At least my latest one was spared. Don't get me started on elementary school headers like Seattle Seahawks § Mike Macdonald years (2024–present), Phoenix Suns § 1996–2004: Average times, Jrue Holiday § 2024–25: First Social Justice Champion Award and second Sportsmanship Award, etc. —Bagumba (talk) 16:39, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

I know right. Those team articles always have fake fanboy-like "era" section headers. See Las Vegas Raiders#Pete Carroll and John Spytek era (2025) Not too many hits on Google. How is one year an "era"? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

The Seahawks' table of contents can't decide if it wants to be "era" or "years". There is also a singular "year" thrown in there as well: Seattle Seahawks#Jim L. Mora year (2009). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:59, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 FA header: History of the New York Jets § Todd Bowles comes and goes —Bagumba (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

So bad. FAs or GAs usually degenerate over time if the original writer isn't watching the page anymore.... lol. The lead for that article is terrible too. The team isn't even linked until the third sentence. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

I've tried cleaning up stuff on team articles before but fans always come along and add it back or mess up the article in a different way. Watching team articles is a full-time job. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:28, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

"mess up the article in a different way." To see what I mean, take a look at the random/obscure nicknames listed at Las Vegas Raiders. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:50, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Yeah, there's no objective consensus on which verifiable nicknames belong in the lead. —Bagumba (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

The Oakland Raiders article has even more nicknames. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:01, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Wise guy. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:51, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: The most relevant discussion I've found so far is Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography/2014_archive#Policy_regarding_death_details_in_biographies?. I'm not bothered enough yet to start a new discussion, when WP:CREEP always seem to be the response I get there. Maybe I'll ask them directly one day. —Bagumba (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Wise II —Bagumba (talk) 17:27, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Facepalm ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:38, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Why don't people ever put "Birth and early life"? Birth is always the first sentence. Readers are obsessed with death. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:51, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Readers are obsessed with death: Or just some editors, like that one. —Bagumba (talk) 22:06, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I give up. Someone might not know that Billy Ray's death is not in his college career section. —Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Since people are having trouble, I added some more headings to make it easier to find stuff. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:41, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 The career needs a "Lean years" section. —Bagumba (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

LOL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Billy Ray Smith Jr.

On 1 August 2026, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Billy Ray Smith Jr., which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 02:10, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

Ud Photo you uploaded File:LeBron James vs. Kobe Bryant (24848589252)B.jpg

Hey Bagumba, I updated the photo you uploaded to a better version with grain added. Looks much better. It needed grain to be re-added. See in Articles: NBA Christmas games and Kobe Bryant#Final season and retirement (2015–2016)—JoeJohnson2 (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2026 (UTC)

@JoeJohnson2: Thanks for the heads up. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know when grain is preferred or not, so I guess I'll let it be. —Bagumba (talk) 06:46, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Time out needed?

This guy probably needs a short block. Continually adding team categories prematurely. Ive warned him 3 times and no response and no change in behavior. Rikster2 (talk) 01:40, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

They've been blocked to at least get them to acknowledge that they are aware of their talk page. —Bagumba (talk) 06:04, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

WNBA article DiJonai Carrington

Hey Bagumba.. Seems like the recent edits in said article are violating WP:NPOV from multiple SPA accounts. The flagrant two foul to me was hardly "clothesline" upon seeing the replay from several angles.—JoeJohnson2 (talk) 03:42, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

@JoeJohnson2: I've protected a few days for some WP:BLP violations. Re: "clothesline" specifically, follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Helpful edits

For the Navy. Also, why did someone replace the image I already uploaded (File:Red Heater.png) with the same thing (File:Red Heater circa 1936.jpg). I don't think the "no copyright notice" stuff is clearly public domain because someone questioned it at Template:Did you know nominations/Emmett Barrett. There was also a discussion I read once about how the copyright notice could be at the front or back of the newspaper...... I can't be that bothered to find that discussion though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Navy: I only know about military base teams from doing some hoops bios around Korean War. Heater: Were they only questioning the PD claim because they didn't have full access to the paper? I've used the lack of copyright notice as a rationale before. The earliest I've seen a paper with a notice is the LA Times in the 60s. I doubt most smaller papers had them back then. —Bagumba (talk) 00:45, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

Does the notice have to be under each individual image? Seriously, I read a discussion once where someone questioned it and said the notice could be in the front or back of the newspaper covering the whole paper. I can't find the discussion though... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: See © at bottom right of clip from front page of LA Times. It's a no-brainer if its on the image itself. I suppose it can be anywhere in the paper, though I haven't seen an example. I've seen yearbooks with the copyright placed at random places. —Bagumba (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

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