Talk:Scottish English

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Convention traces the influence of the English of England upon Scots to the 16th-century????

I wonder by whose convention 'Convention traces the influence of the English of England upon Scots to the 16th-century'. The historical facts are that the Scottish Lowlands were settled by Angles in the 7th century, and were later joined by English settlers of Saxon descent. Thus Lowland 'Scot-land' has actually been an Anglo-Saxon English-speaking land for 1500 years. Only by accident of history did it come to be ruled by the King of the Scots rather than being a permanent part of the Angle-lands or England. Outside of Scotland works such as the 14th century 'The Brus' are quite correctly categorised as written in Middle English. Cassandra.

In modern linguistics, English and Scots are considered two distinct Anglic languages. There was Anglo-Saxon influence on Scotland as early as the 7th century, but the Anglo-Saxons did not speak English in the modern sense. By the 14th century, Early Scots was already on its way to become a distinct literary language, and after more than 1000 years of divergence, involving separate development from Early Modern English (the Middle Scots used around 1500 is treated as separate from Early Modern English), it is considered to be a distinct language now. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

weak reference

These two references are the same piece of work - the former pre-print should be deleted. I think there is a lack of relevance in any case - the latter is primarily about child speech acquisition, and does not belong in this section, in my view, but the page editors might disagree.

Scobbie, James M.; Gordeeva, Olga B.; Matthews, Benjamin (2006). "Acquisition of Scottish English Phonology: an overview". Edinburgh: QMU Speech Science Research Centre Working Papers.

Scobbie, James M., Olga B. Gordeeva, and Benjamin Matthews (2007). "Scottish English Speech Acquisition.". In Sharynne McLeod (ed.). The International Guide to Speech Acquisition. Clifton Park, NY: Thomson Delmar Learning. pp. 221–240. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.157.80 (talk) 09:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

They are given in the article citing discusssion of the "Scots vowel length rule" and "Monophthongs of Scottish English". Do they not cover these? Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

START

There is currently no reference to the START vowel in the phonology section. I’d imagine it is lumped in with TRAP-BATH-PALM but this isn’t stated in the text nor is there an example given in the table. Saighneánach (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2026 (UTC)